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Dear All
I have been on Prednisolone for about three months with the maximum dose being 15mgs. I saw my Rheumy in December and he said he did not think it was helping (my GP prescribed it) and instead he has increased my dose of Methotrexate to 25mgs along with the Leflumonide I also take. He has asked me to come off the Prednisolone slowly. I am now down to 2.5mgs every other day with a view to stopping it completely over the next couple of weeks.
Over the last six weeks I have not been feeling too bad. Still in pain each day but definitely better than I was 12 months ago and I have put this down to the increased Methotrexate. Today I woke up and I feel terrible. All my joints hurt and I feel very under the weather. The unknown question, of course, is, is it a flare (not had a bad one for about 6 months) or is it a side effect of coming off the Prednisolone? Has anyone else experienced this when coming off steriods?
Jackie xx
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Hi Jackie, if you taper down from pred too quickly it can cause your problems to flare up again. This is why it is so important to taper down slowly, but everyone is different as to how quickly their body can cope with it. If you get worse or it doesn't settle down, I suggest you get advice from your gp or rheumy. Either a flare or too quick a taper may need more pred to calm things down! I hope you improve quickly!!
Deb x
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I could be wrong here Jackie but I would have thought that coming down from 25mgs per day to 2.5mgs every other day since December was pushing it a lot. Definitely check wuith your GP.
Love Jeanxxx
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I agree, it may be too fast and when this happens the RA, and the whole system does not like it at all.
I am sure the increased MTX will help alot though.
Much love to you,
Amanda
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Hi Jackie, I have been on 30 mg of prednisolone daily because it helps my Colitis, my maintenance dose for RA is 7.5mg. When I come down I use use this formula; 30, 27.5, 27.5, 25, 25, 22.5, 22.5etc, I have had to do it several times and touch wood I have had no bad reactions. I wonder if your increased metho has not had the desired effect yet. Hope you feel better soon.
All the best John.
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Hi Jackie
I should think your latest symptoms are due to reducing the pred. It takes a long while to reduce without having negative side effects. I've been trying to reduce from 5mg to 4mg, it's taking me such a long while, since last August, but I think i'm winning now. Trouble is, then I've got to try and reduce it down to 3mg.
I would have a word with your rheumy nurse, she would be the best person to help at this time. I spoke to mine when I was having dificulties.
Lyn
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Hi Jackie, i was on Prednisolone for 5 years 25mg at my highest dose and was on 5mg for the last year, it took a good year with me reducing them very slowly and if i felt really bad then even upping the dose for a few days . i always remember my old consultant saying i dont think you will ever be able to come off them ! but i said i was so determined i hate the way my face and skin had gone since taking them long term and the weight gain, dont get me wrong they did the job of making me be able to move when the RA and Lupus were really bad but after a couple of years the were not working miracles any more , the last couple of months i would bite a 2.5mg in half and them bite the half again so i would take a quarter every other night until i only took them a few night a week, the consultant thought i was a bit mad when i explained what i had done to reduce the steroids ( i didn't know until i read on the forum that you can get a lower dose tablet of prednisolone ) it would have been a lot easier Lol any way in April it will be 2 years i have been off oral steroids , my advice would be do it very slowly your body has to get use to making natural steroid again and the doctor told me this can take time
Good Luck , i hope you can succeed in getting off them
Sophie x
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Iam concerned about getting off steriods too. It has been a wonder drug but being taking them now about 20 months and have heard how hard it is to come off due to the body being used to cortisoid being artificially made and then it stops working etc... I was on 20 for about a year and i went very slowly from 15 to 5mg. My skin has gone terribly thin and I still have a moon face. Though I must say that once I got down to 5 mg and started to be active I did mangage to loose weight without too much effort. GP says that once under 10 its easier to loose weight. However, I found with reducing the dose and with the length of time on them they arent as effective with the RA. Reading the posts, especially sophes where shes been on them 5 years has given me some postive news and I am looking forward to getting weaned off them. Good luck Jackie, just take it slowly. Mari
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Hi Jackie, I too think that you're coming off the pred too quickly which will induce a flare, I have been advised to come of by 1mg a month. My gp has given me 5mg and 1mg tabs to aid the process.
I first tried 10mg one day and 5mg the next, but this just gave way too a flare. I have done a lot better with 1mg per month reduction.
Mind you its taken me three months to get from 10mg to 7mg, hope you get there in the end,
Ellie x
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Thanks for all your replies. I do feel better today. My GP did not really tell me what dose to keep reducing by so maybe I am doing it too fast. I see a new Rheumy Consultant next Tuesday so will keep going until then with an increased dose. If only the weather would warm up a bit I am sure my joints would behave a lot better, as I am sure you are all finding.
Take care.
Jackie xx
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Hi Jackie
I am on 10mg daily because of the RA collapsing the red blood cells (heamolytic anaemia), was told by the Haematologist that this is indefinate, have been on them for 10 years, the only time I came off them I was on 5 mg every other day and after a week my Hb dipped under 10 so was put back on them.
Albertxxxx
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Hi Jackie
I've just found this thread. Did you ever manage to come off the prenisolone?
I have been on 2.5mg of pred for 2 months now and I have just started to drop it to 2.5mg every other day. It's kind of painful but I want to persist. Can you give me hope?
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I'm in the same position. I'm on 17.5mg methotrexate which they don't believe is working. I'm also on prednisolone as I was in constant flare. They think I should have improved considerably by now and have reduced my dose of pred gradually to see whether it was just the steroids keeping me out of flare.
I was on 10mg pred a day and now I'm down to 5mg a day. This is to be achieved by doing the following:-
10mg every other day, 7.5mg alternate days for 2 weeks 7.5mg daily for 2 weeks 7.5mg every other day, 5mg alternate days 5mg daily for 2 weeks (where I am now) 5mg every other day, 2.5 mg alternate days 2.5mg for 2 weeks 2.5mg every other day for two weeks
I've noticed a gradual worsening of symptoms as the dose is reduced although things seem to settle after a day or so. Although I'm not as bad as I was before I still have some mild swelling and pain and now my knee is affected again.
I'd be intersted to keep up with anyone else's progress too.
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I'll happily let you know how I get on.
I tried going down to 2.5mg of pred on alternate days 2 months ago and it didn't seem to work for me at the time so my nurse told me to go back to 2.5 mg every day. I am not too sure what went wrong but two months ago I was just 8 weeks into my mtx/enbrel drug protocal and also the weather was pretty warm which I don't think helped.
I'm going to give it another go of reducing my prednisolone for two weeks and then stopping altogether. My nurse told me that if this does not work then to ask my GP to prescribe 1mg tablets and try that for a while. Apparently people tend to be particularly sensitive to coming off prednisolone.
So far - ok. I have a few minor aches and pains in my ankles and legs. More annoying than painful and I have not needed to take any ibuprofen to counteract the pain. I do also find it takes me an age to recover from any exercise but I think this is more to do with me getting used to living with RA than coming off meds.
Good luck.
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Hi,
I keep getting small RA flares when I try to get past 5 mg, so kept going back to the start. My GP really annoyed me when I last went to visit her and does not understand how hard it is to get off the steriods though it may have been that I had the last appointment and she was tired. So for the past 2 weeks i have since starting taking three quarters of the 5mg tablet. As a result my shoulder is playing up at night since I started to reduce it. I am trying to percevere but this morning I was in agony thankfully a couple of parcemtol kicked in and allieviated it.
I wonder if this pain is RA or sign of permanent damage though I dont seem to have it during the day. or will ignoring sign cause damage as RA is active.
Any thoughts welcome.
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Hello
Yes I did come off the Prednisolone completely and just put up with the pain. I do not think it helped me at all and my weight was ballooning so I was determined to get off it. To be honest I am still in pain today, am on my second type of anti-tnf which is not working, but I do not want to start the steroids again. My GP has frightened me about the side effects of steroids so I want to stay clear if I can.
Jackie xx
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Hi guys! This is a really difficult one from my experience. I have been on prednisolone in varying amounts since diagnosis 22 years ago (along with any number of drug combos!!) and my regular daily dose is down to 3mg. I'm in a blip at the moment due to cessation of Enbrel for an op and been forced to take 15mg prednisolone to control flares. Hopefully once the Enbrel kicks in I will be able to return to the usual regime. I have on countless occasions over the last ten years tried to get off prednisolone completely but it seems impossible long term. I'm okay for a few weeks then start to notice the missing steroid, pain, inflammation etc. It can sometimes be difficult to differentiate between withdrawal symptoms from the drug and a flare of the disease itself! Last year I had to have both lenses in my eyes replaced due to damage caused by long term steroid use. My consultant feels that it may not be possible for me to cut down below 3mg as the body's own mechanism (adrenal glands) for producing cortisol may have been impaired by the prednisolone. That aside it can take years to taper down to a very low level or none at all and it has to be done very slowly by 0.5 mg no more often than every few weeks. It's certainly a long term project ... good luck guys, I'm interested to know how you go on Lyn x
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